I stumbled on one of the growing number of local media stories on the power of vitamin D.
In one story, a purported "expert" was talking about the benefits of "high-dose" vitamin D, meaning up to 1000, even 2000 units per day.
I regard this as high-dose---for an infant.
Judging by my experiences, now numbering well over 1000 patients over three years time, I'd regard this dose range not as "high dose," nor moderate dose, perhaps not even low dose. I'd regard it as barely adequate.
Though needs vary widely, the majority of men require 6000 units per day, women 5000 units per day. Only then do most men and women achieve what I'd define as desirable: 60-70 ng/ml 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood level.
I base this target level by extrapolating from several simple observations:
--In epidemiologic studies, a blood level of 52 ng/ml seems to be an eerily consistent value: >52 ng/ml and cancer of the colon, breast, and prostate become far less common; <52 ng/ml and cancers are far more likely. I don't know about you, but I'd like to have a little larger margin of safety than just achieving 52.1 ng/ml.
--Young people (not older people >40 years old, who have lost most of the capacity to activate vitamin D in the skin) who obtain several days to weeks of tropical sun typically have 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood levels of 80-100 ng/ml without adverse effect.
More recently, having achieved this target blood level in many people, I can tell you confidently that achieving this blood level of vitamin D achieves:
--Virtual elimination of "winter blues" and seasonal affective disorder in the great majority
--Dramatic increases in HDL cholesterol (though full effect can require a year to develop)
--Reduction in triglycerides
--Modest reduction in blood pressure
--Dramatic reduction in c-reactive protein (far greater than achieved with Crestor, JUPITER trial or no)
--Increased bone density (improved osteoporosis/osteopenia)
--Halting or reversal of aortic valve disease
(I don't see enough cancer in my cardiology practice to gauge whether or not there has been an impact on cancer incidence.)
My colleagues who have bothered to participate in the vitamin D conversation have issued warnings about not going "overboard" with vitamin D, generally meaning a level of >30 ng/ml.
I know of no rational basis for these cautions. If hypercalcemia (increased blood calcium) is the concern, then calcium levels can be monitored. I can reassure them that calcium levels virtually never go up in people (without rare diseases like sarcoid or hyperparathyroidism). Then why any hesitation in recreating blood levels that are enjoyed by tropical inhabitants exposed to plentiful sun that achieve these extraordinary health effects?
For the present, I have applied the target level of 60-70 ng/ml without apparent ill-effect. In fact, I have witnessed nothing but hugely positive effects.
Monday, December 29, 2008
"High-dose" Vitamin D
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This time last year I started taking 4,000 ius of D3 per day. Four months later I had a 25(OH)D test and the result was 154 ng/ml. I had to stop taking the D immediately as my alkaline phosphatase levels had got too high.
Two months later with no D3 and no sun my 25(OH)D had dropped to more normal levels and I resumed taking the D3 last August but this time at 2,000 ius per day. I continue to take 2,000 ius per day. I don't get any sun. My last measurement of 25(OH)D was 62 ng/ml. My HDL is 93 and my triglycerides 53. Maybe I'm unusual ? My endocrinologist was very surprised I must say.
Anne
I take 3000 IU's daily and my D level is 52. I'm also 2 months pregnant. Is it safe for my pregnancy to continue taking higher levels of Vitamin D and should I up my dosage? Baby books of course recommend a very low dose citing potential overdose at higher levels. I haven't asked my OB yet.
Dr. Davis,
Good to know the right dosage for Vitamin D. But if mere addition of it results in all the things you listed, how do you explain the high incidence of CVD in a country like India where the sun shines 12 months a year.
Thank you Dr. Davis for all the articles on Vitamin D, as well as all the other useful information you provide! We truly appreciate it.
Happy New Year!
Anonymous,
Don't forget --exposure to sunlight doesn't guarantee vitamin D activation in the body. This is dependent on several factors, including things like age and darkness of the skin. The darker the skin, the less vitamin D will be made in the body. If those in India are not supplementing with vitamin D, chances are good that they aren't making enough from whatever UVB exposure they have.
Just my two cents.
David
I take 8000IU of D3. So far my head has not exploded nor have I turned in to a newt.
Why this amount? I am over 40, I am still a little over weight (down over 40 lbs), and I have a family history of heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke and Alzheimer's disease.
I began supplementing last Winter at 2000IU. I stopped when Summer hit because I actually got some sun. Due to taking the supplements, I could go outside without bursting in to flames for the first time since I was a kid!!!
Elise said:
I take 3000 IU's daily and my D level is 52. I'm also 2 months pregnant. Is it safe for my pregnancy to continue taking higher levels of Vitamin D and should I up my dosage? Baby books of course recommend a very low dose citing potential overdose at higher levels. I haven't asked my OB yet.
The baby books are probably very wrong. A new study in Clinical Endocrinology reports that...women with 25(OH)D <37.5 nmol/L were almost 4 times as likely to have a cesarean than women with 25(OH)D ≥37.5 nmol/L (AOR 3.84; 95% CI 1.71 to 8.62).
Full link:
http://tr.im/2rnz
I also read somewhere that if you breastfeed, your milk will not contain any D3 until your blood levels are above 50 (ie, if you don't supplement enough, your body conserves all D3 for itself, sharing none with your infant.)
(Unfortunately, I don't have the link to that study.)
In the first post Anne says that she is able to keep her vitamin D level at 62 with 2000 IU's. I got my level to 42 in the summer, but this fell to 24ng/ml during the winter even though I was using 2000 IU's. I am now supplementing with 5000 IU and will test again soon. My oral supplementation of D needs to be higher in the winter than in the summer.
Elise ~ congratulations on your pregnancy. There are recent articles showing a possible link between low vitamin D and higher C-section rates and higher risk of pre-eclampsia.
Elise- Pregnant women need Vitamin D and your level should be greater than 60 ng/mL.
Having an optimal Vitamin D level could help prevent preeclampsia. Plus, your baby NEEDS Vitamin D for normal development and has no way of getting it except through you.
Google "Vitamin D philadelphia pregnancy study" and see about the research done re: Vit D and pregnancy.
My Primary care doc recommends 6,000 IU/daily for pregnant patients. He draws Vit D and calcium blood levels every 3 months.
Your OB will likely not recommend much- OBs live in the dinosaur ages. It's by far the slowest specialty to adapt to medical news.
Google Vitamin D and pregnancy and read up- you'll find that it's perfectly safe (and in fact, will help your infant immensely) to stay on optimal doses of D.
My sister took 10,000 IU daily during pregnancy, so did a RN at our office.
Best wishes for a happy and healthy pregnancy :)
I just had a very interesting experience, but keep in mind: this is purely anecdotal.
I've been taking 6k IU per day for a few months and I'll soon get tested to see what my level is. However, week before last was the holiday party week and I was at parties like 5 days in a row, LOTS of drink (scotch, mostly), staying up late, getting up early, etc.
Predictably, I came down with a cold. On that first day, with that odd scratchy feeling in the back of my throat, I did 18k units of D. Next morning, no symptoms, to the point I though I might be mistaken about a cold coming on. Next morning, bang, the nose starts running, sneezes, but very mild -- like 25% of a cold. 18K units again, and within hours, no more symptoms. Next morning, same thing with the runny nose, so I did another 18K units and within a few hours all symptoms were gone, it's now almost a week later and they have not returned.
I almost can't wait to catch another cold just to see if I can duplicate.
BTW, I stumbled on some amazing epidemiological info on D, and did a series of posts on it yesterday:
http://www.freetheanimal.com/root/2008/12/epidemic-influenza-and-vitamin-d.html
http://www.freetheanimal.com/root/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-and-type-1-diabetes.html
http://www.freetheanimal.com/root/2008/12/melanoma-sun-and-its-synthetic-defeat-sunscreen.html
http://www.freetheanimal.com/root/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-and-all-cancer.html
Very interesting indeed, Richard. I had a similar experience recently.
It was a few days before Thanksgiving, and I felt myself getting sick. Not with a cold, but with the flu. I got a 102 degree fever and felt awful. I remembered Dr. Cannell and Dr. Mercola talking about "stoss" therapy, so I calculated an "influenza dose" based on my body weight. I took around 150,000 IU once per day for three days. On the morning of the third day, I was completely better and was able to eat Thanksgiving dinner with my family. All in all, I had the flu for TWO DAYS. Amazing. I've never recovered from a severe illness that fast. In the past, I have always been very slow to recover. Incredible stuff.
My experiments last winter and this one with high doses of D at the first sign of a cold have been very similar, though I have been using 8-12,000iU of D3 (Carlson Solar Gems 4000iU x 3 each morning for my husband and I, x 1 for my son). The past week we were visiting family members some of whom had a cold that was catchy, and so far, we haven't caught the cold. Of course, they were skeptical of the Vit D boosting the immune system, etc.
Richard,
your experience where Vitamin D appears to eradicate cold symptons is similar to my experience.
In past winters I always experienced major colds - typically three to five during the months of November through April. Usually they would last a couple of weeks each.
Late Spring 2008 I learned about the critical importance of vitamin D3. Now I supplement between 6,000 IU and 8,000 IU per day, and my 25(OH)D level floats in the 60 - 80 ng/ml range.
This year, sofar, I have had three experiences where I thought I caught a cold with typical symptoms. In each case the symptoms seemed to get worse during the first day, but completely resolved within 24 hours. No additional medication or supplementation of anyting, except the regular 6k - 8k IU D3.
With research indicating that vitamin D is critical to a strong immune system, my sense is that the cold virus still attacks, but has no change to survive when the immune system is strong, enabled by means of adequate Vitamin D.
By the way, my four year old son also has no persistent cold symptons this year, no ear infections. Such relief!
It is great to see that vitamin D does much more than enusring the cold virus cannot survive. The strong immune system it allows our bodies to build, appears to reduce all kinds of inflammation (CVD link) and cellular problems.
Arnoud
Hi Dr. Davis,
I am having a physical soon, which labs/tests would you recommend that I ask my physician to order?
Thanks in advance.
-Patrik
Regarding the epidemiological aspect of 52, check out the last image on my post the other day about vitamin d and all cancer:
http://www.freetheanimal.com/root/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-and-all-cancer.html
I've had a similar experience to Anonymous.
I'm currently taking 10k a day and I never had the flu in 2008 (and I usually get it without fail once a year minimum).
However there were times close to the 5th day (I take my D as 50k once every 5 days) where I'd feel I was getting something. But by the time I took the next dose I was fine. The flu didn't really get to develop, but the next dose seemed to get rid of it.
Can taking an oil-based vitamin D-3 supplement
in the range of 2,000-5,000 IU per day spike liver enzymes AST and/or ALT ???
"Can taking an oil-based vitamin D-3 supplement in the range of 2,000-5,000 IU per day spike liver enzymes AST and/or ALT ???"
Just ran across this study recently, and thought it might have some application here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17823429
These were specifically people with MS, but it's noteworthy that they mention in passing that liver enzymes were unchanged with D3 doses at 28,000 to 280,000 IU per week.
It seems very unlikely to me that vitamin D at that dose would cause a spike in liver enzymes...
Elise,
I did not realize that I was pregnant until Week 6 of pregnancy. During Week 4 and Week 5, I took one 50,000 IU dose of a vitamin D prescription. I can't find much info on whether this overdose is likely to cause birth defects. I stopped taking it after week 5. Was your baby healthy after taking your 3,000 IU's during pregnancy? If anyone has any info, I appreciate it because I am so worried about this!
Anonymous said...
Elise,
I did not realize that I was pregnant until Week 6 of pregnancy. During Week 4 and Week 5, I took one 50,000 IU dose of a vitamin D prescription. I can't find much info on whether this overdose is likely to cause birth defects. I stopped taking it after week 5. Was your baby healthy after taking your 3,000 IU's during pregnancy? If anyone has any info, I appreciate it because I am so worried about this!
Anonymous: I'm almost 5 months pregnant now and all tests show the baby is healthy, and I'm still taking D at a dose of 4,000 IU per month. I'm due to get my blood levels tested again but I'm not worried any more after doing some research specifically on pregnancy and vitamin D supplementation. I wouldn't do the high doses weekly as you were previously doing but I wouldn't discontinue taking the D if I were you (keep your levels in the high normal range and keep testing). I'm 40 with my first baby and became pregnant after trying for a while - only after I had been supplementing D for a few months and it could be what made the difference in conceiving. A very nice reply from Mike V. from a related post gave me this link: http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/VitDGenScience/Hollis%20vit%20D%20pregnacy.pdf
Hope that helps and good luck!
Elise, Thank you so much for the response. I feel better. I also visited a prenatal specialist and they put my mind at east as well. I am not going to take the 50,000 IU dosage during the remainder of pregnancy.
Well, I had posted a while back that I took 50,000 IU doses of vitamin D early in my pregnancy because I had not yet known that I was pregnant. I had a miscarriage today. I'm so sad.
Anonymous,
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Elise
There are good data showing that vitamin D protects against colds and flu. Indeed the Canadians are running studies with vitamin D to determine if it can reduce the indcidence of N1H1, Here is a link a to a recent article that covers these data:
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs026/1102452079631/archive/1102685428884.html
and take a look at www.vitaminD3world.com for some good summaries of the data in general
Everybody should get their Vitamin D level tested, because we are all so different. I was at 40 with 4000 IU of D3 a day. I doubled it to 8000 IU of D3 and, after 6 months, my level is only 52! I read that 10,000 IU per day was the new safe upper limit. I am going up to 10,000 now, but I wonder if it would be safe to take more than that. I really want to get up to the 80ish level. Why settle for 50% less chance of cancer? 90% less sounds much better to me. I wonder why I need so much more D3 than others. I am older and fatter than average; maybe that is the reason.
I am going to start taking 4000 IU a day of Vitamin D3 for my Rosacea.
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